Curse

Hell Raiser · Mar 28, 2007, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Ok I quit Tombs for this reason (among others). ArenaNet gives you 8v8 back, like you have all asked, and you throw it in their face (not all of you). Come on, you should be happy. I see some people saying things like "why fix something that isn't broken", but it was a change, not a fix.

@Death_From_Above: You ever think that you aren't the only player in Guild Wars? Maybe they are paying attention to things that are important to them. Maybe they didn't see it as a mess up, but as a success.

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

Plus i dont think i will lighten up untill either HA is fixed completely

You mean changed to your liking, right?

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Originally Posted by Death_From_Above

3. havent even recieved an apology from them.

An apology?!?! Are you kidding? What do they have to apologize about?

Can anyone tell me the reason you all wanted 8v8 back? I want a logical reason not "6v6 is teh suxorz". What about wanting Kill Count out?

I guess I should be expecting flames, huh? The PvEer trying to understand PvP? I am seeing some... L2Ps, shut up PvE nub, get a life etc. But please, I would really not like any flames, but if you really feel the need to...

Tea Girl · Mar 28, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

umm yey! 8v8 is here this weekend & im on my happily-delayed spring break. =)

i will try my best to enjoy this weekend and wait for more changes from anet.

Death_From_Above · Mar 28, 2007, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

Ok I quit Tombs for this reason (among others). ArenaNet gives you 8v8 back, like you have all asked, and you throw it in their face (not all of you).

@Death_From_Above: You ever think that you aren't the only player in Guild Wars? Maybe they didn't see it as a mess up, but as a success.
You mean changed to your liking, right?
An apology?!?! Are you kidding? What do they have to apologize about?

Can anyone tell me the reason you all wanted 8v8 back? I want a logical reason not "6v6 is teh suxorz". What about wanting Kill Count out?

No i wont flame you because i dont flame. But i will clear this up for you then. Anet have given us 8v8 back after 9 months, even then were not sure kill count will be gone. They tell us march 1st is decsion date but it comes like a month later.

They persist on keeping 6v6 when the HA community clearly dont like it and remove kill count from only HA when we asked for it to be completly removed. Then they decide to ignore the HA community (aka no reasurance/ not seen galie for ages), and izzy then says our feedback is basicaly rubbish. Now anet finaly put a change we have asked for for 9 months, u seriously expect me to click my fingers and dance around singing ring a ring a roses. Alot of damage has been done, guilds have broken up, friends have quit. HA moral has been depleated, we cant simply ignore this and act like nothings gone on. Anet should learn from there mistakes, if they showed they were willing to id be fine. But the fact they change HA at the request at a minority and are not remouseful about it.

Making it seem like there right whiles taking for ever to address the problem. That disturbs me hence why i am not praising anet. I havent thrown anything back in there face, iv meerly tried to get them to stand up to the point, theres a bigger problem here and youve been treatin the HA community horridly. I will use a wise phrase to sum this up for you. Is it wrong to stop some1 from drinking poision?

Plus i dont think i am the only player in guildwars. I do however not believe but know that many HA players who have quit or still remain share the same views which i do hence why i feel it is perfectly fine for me to state this. Being it is not the view of a minority but a majority.

If anet see this as a success, to be honest i think they have deep underlying problems which no one can help them with, deep deep ones. Losing basically 8/10ths of your HA community is not a success. If it were they wouldnt keep making changes and doing test weekends for HA.

As for the 6v6 sucking bit, please dont make me go over it iv typed different reasons time and time again. Read the what do you think of heros accent thread on this form, i think it got locked today. Anyway read it and other ones, there are trillions of points there just as you want. Like logical reasons and so on. So check that out.

As for an apology, am i kidding: NOPE. are you kidding :Yes

Anet have took us for chumps, 9 months a wait is rediculous. To show they cared they could atleast say oh hey HA community we are sorry about the long delay ect. Rather its like they dont care and still dont. Galie popped in to post it lol and it was like hi and bye. If you came to my bank. I charged you 10 x more regarding vat or something. Even when the situation is sorted out and say you have been waitin in the bank for 4 hours when your infact very busy. For them to sort out the problem, do they not apologize? Fact of the matter is it is curtieous.

Effendi Westland · Mar 28, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

truth. what happened with ansy was there was a feud within the guild between the HA and HA side, resulting in the birth of Hell Symphony (all high ranked players). after the ritual lord nerf, HeLL couldn't win halls nearly as much as before, resulting in mostly a return of HeLL to AnSy and they indulged in GvG. Until again the higher ranked decided to split into a new Guild?

Edited for Truth, and left out a great deal of e-drama.

Snype · Mar 28, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Elrodien

I can't believe people want altar maps back and the boringway holding builds that come with it..

because 2 eles and 2 sins are better right?

LifesRestorer · Mar 28, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

Edited for Truth, and left out a great deal of e-drama.

was there really a need for that? no we didnt win as much but we were still together. you know why we split, so stop bringing it up on public forums.

after 6v6, tru quit the game, playahr waited for warhammer online, goo and drip went to WoW. stop trying to make us look bad just cause your pve ass wanted some of the fame when we were winning halls

Death_From_Above · Mar 28, 2007, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Rofl Copter. *Whipes laughing tears from eyes* Anyways, i highly doubt kill count will be removed judging by galies selection of words but i guess ill save my speculation for fri.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Mar 28, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Lose the e-penis arguments and guild name tossing around, no one cares. However, it can easily be said and proven that HA sucks as 6v6 simply because many of the older, better, more active, and more competitive players left as it. This leads to an argument not based upon merits of the game mechanics and party size number, but old 8v8 would thus be superior simply based upon player base.

Jessyi · Mar 28, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

I can't bear to read anymore "arguing" about HA. Most of you couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag. A lot of the time, it seems like most of the posters in this forum simply skipped grade school and came straight here.

Old 8v8 stank to high RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing heaven and that's the absolute truth of the matter. The HA metabuilds were JUST as stagnated and the player base was JUST as strong/weak as it is today. There are a lot of clowns, "braindead retards" if I may, that continuously spew demands for the OLD HA with the OLD victory conditions, flaunting thier superiority as the old, over-hyped ToPK gods of yesteryear all quit the game after the changes were made to 8v8 - supposedly quitting because 8v8 was "better".

My answer(s) to that go as follows: for one, slamming my fingers in a door repeatedly for 6 hours would be more enjoyable than altar holding bullshit. People who ask for that incredibly BAD victory condition can only be doing so for ONE POSSIBLE REASON: to exploit the HELL out of it. Altar holding has always been a horrendous, terrible, awful, irredeemably shitty victory condition with no virtues whatsoever, largely because once a holding team got on the altar, you may as well resign. And hell, in HoH, you started ON the altar! You could camp there for a long, long, LONG goddamn time without a tiny iota of skill being involved in your victories.

In addition to that, everybody with a claim to some small amount of common sense should be able to conclude that only having ONE victory condition in the hall of heroes itself is a bad idea. Your average holding build can do only two things: kill other teams 1v1 and camp altars. Map skips and weak opponents push these teams to the hall, but altar holding in HoH simply feeds the HA metagame's desire for very very narrow designs in team builds. All you people screaming out for variety should be able to appreciate how little you get out of a game where you only need to do one thing to win. The would-be exploiters crying about "alliance battles" and relic runs in halls can shove it right up thier collective asses. If you don't like THOSE specific victory conditions, then please feel free to suggest some new ones, but don't try and tell me or anyone else that the HA community is better served by a single victory condition in HoH itself, because you would be so simply braindead wrong to try.

And finally, what about all those ToPK gods who fled the HA scene when it went 6v6? Who cares about those petulant children? That's all they are - people who ran away crying because they were told that they couldn't exploit their way to high rank anymore, and those of you who have stuck around as long as you have to complain are just marginally stupider than they were - at least they knew what they wanted out of this game and left when they weren't getting it. Might I add - good riddance to bad rubbish.

Now the good news - I believe HA should be 8v8. 8v8 is better, but the OLD 8v8 is a sin against God. Nobody needs to live in a world where IGAY and bspike holding shit rules the HA game. Like I've said before, altar holding blows and should never be reinstated, but I acknowledge that killcounts aren't much better (I'd say they're a tiny bit, but not worth mentioning). Does this mean that altar holding should be brought back? RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO no. Even simply deleting the 3-way maps and replacing them with another relic run and/or additional 1v1 annhilation maps or even...ugh...scarred earth would be a better choice than bringing altars back. As to HoH itself - it should never be allowed to return to a single victory condition. It's far better to encourage diverse teams that need to master mutiple tasks than to simply hand win after win to talentless scrubs.

-Jessyi

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Mar 28, 2007, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Kicking people off the altar was only a problem if you REALLY sucked, or if it's something designed purely to hold like bloodspike, if you and/or the other team REALLY sucked.

Jessyi · Mar 29, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

oloololoolllolollolol I can always count on this place for sass, lip and willful ignorance. A post is made and the first three people to reply are Randomway, plzkthx and tomcruise jr - the trifecta of stupidity in this forum. Excuse me if I've gotten used to tuning out everything you say.

Here's the bottom line. I've heard lots of reasons for why the new HA is bad, but I've not heard one reason for why old altar holding was good. Come up with some or shut up forever. I might be just as abrasive as you guys but I'm at least trying to explore the issues and discard the trash options. Old altar holding is a trash option. Please tell me why it isn't - and no excuses please. No "this has been discussed before" or "use search" whatever because I haven't seen it before. If you're taking the time to insult me, then you've got the time to answer my questions, so do so or gtfo.

On an unrelated note, while I used to despise shard, there's no denying his ability as a player and if I had to make excuses for his behavior, I'd suggest that like myself he got sick of sensibly explaining things to clueless idiots and instead resorted to the same heavy-handed abrasiveness that I have. More and more I sympathize with his frustration. I mean, look at me, I've only been here 20 minutes and I already feel an ulcer growing.

-Jessyi

edit: I feel like I should add some more for you to think about, or ultimately ignore as I rather suspect you will and that's that my larger issues with the old 8v8 and altar holding are NOT about good players losing when they shouldn't - it's about crappy players winning when they shouldn't.

Randomway Ftw · Mar 29, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Originally Posted by Jessyi

oloololoolllolollolol I can always count on this place for sass, lip and willful ignorance. A post is made and the first three people to reply are Randomway, plzkthx and tomcruise jr - the trifecta of stupidity in this forum. Excuse me if I've gotten used to tuning out everything you say.

Here's the bottom line. I've heard lots of reasons for why the new HA is bad, but I've not heard one reason for why old altar holding was good. Come up with some or shut up forever. I might be just as abrasive as you guys but I'm at least trying to explore the issues and discard the trash options. Old altar holding is a trash option. Please tell me why it isn't - and no excuses please. No "this has been discussed before" or "use search" whatever because I haven't seen it before. If you're taking the time to insult me, then you've got the time to answer my questions, so do so or gtfo.

-Jessyi

Lol, did you ignore my thread about why ANET should bring back altar holding?

There are like 100x posts on why altar holding is better, some simple reasons include that it was more fun, it was unique, and you don't fix something that's not broken.

Im In A Build · Mar 29, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Lol, did you ignore my thread about why ANET should bring back altar holding?

There are like 100x posts on why altar holding is better, some simple reasons include that it was more fun, it was unique, and you don't fix something that's not broken.

your post was useless you had no good points and when i tried to get you to at least resonably debate about the issue you resorted to trying to flame me which got shut down pretty quick because well its hard to flame someone whos better then you and now who knows what random topic that thread is on

Randomway Ftw · Mar 29, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Im In A Build

your post was useless you had no good points and when i tried to get you to at least resonably debate about the issue you resorted to trying to flame me which got shut down pretty quick because well its hard to flame someone whos better then you and now who knows what random topic that thread is on

You mean when you tried to troll the thread with your buddy from cow, but failed because you posted outdated garbage, and ranted about irrelevent bs?

Im In A Build · Mar 29, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

You mean when you tried to troll the thread with your buddy from cow, but failed because you posted outdated garbage, and ranted about irrelevent bs?

the majority of that thread is about interupting ghost something that hasent been really needed for the last 6 months? i posted valid reasoning that people agreed with and you had no responds but to try and flame something which you failed miserably at
then the topic got derailed by scrubs Oo

Randomway Ftw · Mar 29, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Im In A Build

the majority of that thread is about interupting ghost something that hasent been really needed for the last 6 months? i posted valid reasoning that people agreed with and you had no responds but to try and flame something which you failed miserably at
then the topic got derailed by scrubs Oo

Wrong, the thread got turned into an anti-halls circle jerk by the few anti-halls trolls of this forum working in unison, then somebody made a post about song of concentrationand I responded.

Im In A Build · Mar 29, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

Wrong, the thread got turned into an anti-halls circle jerk by the few anti-halls trolls of this forum working in unison, then somebody made a post about song of concentrationand I responded.

lol so basicly you didnt respond to people with different opinions because you couldnt and just avoided your own topic going on about song of concentration and interupts something that hasent been used in 6 months

Randomway Ftw · Mar 29, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Im In A Build

lol so basicly you didnt respond to people with different opinions because you couldnt and just avoided your own topic going on about song of concentration and interupts something that hasent been used in 6 months

I stopped responding because it was obvious what you were doing, posting trash for the purpose of provoking flames, you were the one in the first place who failed to address my post anyways.

Jessyi · Mar 29, 2007, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

There are like 100x posts on why altar holding is better, some simple reasons include that it was more fun, it was unique, and you don't fix something that's not broken.

Wow, unique AND fun?? Well, that's some real objective criteria right there. Oh yeah, I sure hope that's not your best reasoning or this little sparring match might be over real soon. Oh wait wait..."you don't fix something that's not broken". Yeah you don't, that's why HA was fixed. Fackken' brilliant Einstein. You still owe me a reason for why altar holding doesn't suck, and oh yeah - I'll read through the other thread later, though if it's not as much of a flamefest as this is with as many opposed posters as pro-posters I'll be very much surprised.

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I understand where you're coming from. I've been there. I've been buttsecksed by a huge Warrior with axe and pet but with help of group therapy sessions, the emotional distress and hatred are long gone.

I have never read a word you've written that was in the least bit constructive. I know that you are a proud IWAYer and in reality, I take no issue with IWAYers. What I do take issue with is the pride you take in needlessly attempting to piss people off. Your thinly veiled and childish attempts to do so shine through in everything I've ever seen you write. I don't like you, as a point of fact, I hate you. If you were dying, I might forget to call an ambulance, but that has nothing to do with you IWAYing and everything to do with you needlessly instigating flamewars about IWAY. I've got nothing to say about IWAY and I haven't for a while. When I mention it in passing as a negative peice of HA history it's forgotten just as quickly. It kind of seems like the only one who hasn't forgotten about it is you.

Your suggestion that all my issues with old HA stem from my distaste for IWAY is among other things, patently false. Get a clue, rub a couple of those brain cells together and don't come back until you can actually address what I'm talking about. My largest issue with old HA is altar holding and IWAY was never good at altar holding. Why then would I care about IWAYers? I mentioned IWAY in passing talking about the HA metagame stagnating, but bspike is even worse than IWAY imo. But I digress...get clue, braincells, etc.

-Jessyi

Im In A Build · Mar 29, 2007, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

I stopped responding because it was obvious what you were doing, posting trash for the purpose of provoking flames, you were the one in the first place who failed to address my post anyways.

i asked multiplr times what was the point of your post and as for flaming i never flamed garb did all the nuking

and since it was so obvious to you what exactly was it that i was doing that was so wrong?